Andy: Their choice really. - Delivered a Conduct-focused approach and embedded cultural change focused on . [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. Now, a lot of women, I think, in particular listening to this would think, well we wouldnt blame her for just giving up on you after all of that, but she didnt. Andy Coulson is Former Editor of News of the World, Former Director of Communications, Downing Street, and an expert speaker on communications, crisis management and reputation. [14] On 30 June 2014, it was announced that he would face a retrial over two counts of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer after the jury in the original trial was unable to reach a verdict on them. That must have felt weird, being the focus of the media storm? Thats why I resigned from the News of the World and then when I was in Downing Street, Im there thinking how on Earth can I do this job? They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. And prison is the ultimate leveller. Jane: So, youre packing your bag. I had plenty of offers and I just didnt. And I managed to get there. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. Dublin. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. Jane: Does David Cameron get the silver medal? Fair enough, really. Dan Evans testified that even "the office cat" knew . I was working with people from another party and we all made that work really well. I was a pretty low profile, it didnt turn out that way, of course, but I was a pretty low-profile editor, at least I tried to be and thats absolutely how I saw the job as well when I went into Number 10. 59 records for Andy Coulson. Do you feel the need to sometimes wear that like a badge, to own it in certain situations? Never mind my resilience and my crisis, the truth of the matter is it was as much a crisis for them and for Ellie as it was for me. It's only the bloody Stig.This Just In is an online comedy service . And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. And a whole lot of stuff happened at the News of the World which should not have happened during my time, and Im sorry about that because the impact of it on an awful lot of people was, the result of it was a lot of pain and a lot of hurt for people. To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. What did crisis teach you about friendship? Thats the key; youve got to get the right therapist and not all therapists are right for all people. And its like eating rotten fruit. I knew nothing about it, obviously. And even more delighted that there was a whole shelf of Dickens because I love a bit of Dickens. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. I wasnt released on good behaviour, thats the system. Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC. Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. And then the third thing would be what I actually send to every podcast guest, when its appropriate to do so. [40] Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. Im absolutely sure that Im a better advisor as a result of what happened. Explaining his ruling, Lord Burns said that for Coulson to be found guilty it was necessary for the Crown to prove that the allegedly untrue evidence he had given at the 2010 Sheridan trial had been relevant to the issues in it. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. Theres a lot of kind of, Ill help you out here and you help me, and I knew I wasnt going to engage in any of that. Jane: So, lets sort of go back in time a bit. Im a big believer in counselling and therapy and that has helped me enormously, I have to say. No one knew that at that stage. I think it probably did. [25], Coulson became the Conservative Party's director of communications on 9 July 2007. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. Its an audit, right, when these things happen in your life. Jane: Are you still friends? So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. Was there ever a point through all of this, the trial or prison or any of it, that you cried? So your boys did come to Belmarsh? If thats how he feels, thats how he feels. So thats why were doing this. Private investigator Glenn Mulcaire, remunerated by the newspaper, was given a custodial sentence of six months. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. Having to ring Eloise and say, its not just about getting through this prison sentence, we are going to do it all over again, that was probably the worst moment. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. Almost from the start of the trial, actually, because the profile of the trial was so high. So, I was a very willing crisis volunteer long before I became a conscript. Does that tail occasionally whip round and hit you? He was scheduled to stand trial in April 2015 but the trial was postponed to 11 May 2015 because of the general election. Ask me if I felt I should have been convicted and the answer is obviously no because I pleaded not guilty. What was that like? Jane: Do I get one of those for doing this? The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. Former News of the World editors Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson were having an affair for at least six years from the late 1990s, the phone-hacking trial has heard. I mean, there were lots of theories at the time. You talk about your wife, Eloise, and also your three sons. During that time Andy faced three criminal trials. Because then you know actually, its not just a matter of getting through this, Im into it all over again. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. I saw some pretty unpleasant things. I think that we are all stronger for it. Jane: Did you worry that it would come across as self-serving? It was all part of that experience, it's what you have got to lean on and you change and you evolve and I definitely got to that point by the time I got to prison. I was told, because there was a view that the Scottish case, because it was such a nonsense, would be dropped. During the course of the first series, there have been a few moments where people have asked me, guests have asked me, about my own experiences and Ive been happy to give a response. We talk about it and funnily enough they, it would be wrong to say that they laugh about it, but they found some aspects of it quite fascinating. Were going to put you to work. And then we got closer to it and as it looked likely that we were going to succeed, David sat me down and said, I need you and I want you to stay. And I talked them through it and I explained that Id been found guilty and that Id be going to a prison and then Id be moved at some point to an open prison and then they could come and see me. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. There are 100+ professionals named "Andy Coulson", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. Eloise and the boys have to take the gold medal, if you like, for getting me through but there are a whole load who get the silver medal and Im very grateful for it. The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. Certainly, when you find yourself in crisis and thats also, more importantly, just not how I see it. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. In David Cameron: The Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition government Andy Coulson, Cameron's communications chief, had already left that post in January of the same year in the wake of the growing evidence tying him to the scandal. I have to say, everyone through that process, the prison officers down in the cells at the Old Bailey, could not have been, frankly, more friendly. Andy: They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. Andy: We had lunch and we talked about politics, as you might expect, and life after politics which is, of course, where he is now. That was a good moment for us because we were then very clear that this was not about me becoming chums, this was about me being a professional advisor to him and him taking that advice seriously and the relationship on that basis went forward. [51] He was questioned under caution, and later that day released on police bail until October, but made no comment on his release. Big Brother 15 winner Andy Herren has never been shy about sharing his opinion on social media. A thoroughly depressing experience, with barbed wire around you and over you, actually, to stop helicopters coming in. I am very sorry for the mistakes that I made at the News of the World. I spent five years talking about it. So, I will blub at kids school plays Jeremy Bowen and I actually talked about exactly that. Thats why I love podcasting, actually, its that its not a formal interview process, its a conversation. I mean thats why I think I have instinctively never really taken that sort of approach because I dont much like that. Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . And they were nothing short of incredible. Theres a door that youre going to go through. There were a few of those who ran away from the gunfire. Im undoubtedly happier. Andy: Well sometimes literally all day. David Cameron appointed Coulson as communications director in 2007. Coulson, 46, who also worked as director of . Andy: Yeah, my view was that they had absolutely every right to be at the end of my drive and they had every right to try and get a picture of me and I had every right to avoid it. Jane: You were acquitted. Heres the full transcript: Jane: Im Jane Moore, a friend of Andys and for a number of years his colleague at The Sun. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. [8] He was detained and charged with perjury by Strathclyde Police on 30 May 2012 in relation to evidence he had given in the trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan in 2010, and cleared on 3 June 2015. But Ive never done it in any detail other than, of course, over a very long period in a witness box in the Old Bailey. In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. I think thats probably about right and so I have no issue with other peoples views about me. I never asked for any favours at all from anyone, but what I didnt think was fair was for me to be treated differently. Colton came . - Devised and implemented a new Conduct Risk Framework and Conduct risk management strategy for Permanent TSB Group. Jane: So, you have to sit there on your own. Jane: And I was going to say, in hindsight would you have taken that job? Because I read at one point that youd been pushed down the stairs. Ive got a better understanding of myself, I suppose, without wishing to get too airy-fairy about it. Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. Where did the resilience come from, do you think, to deal with that? I thought that was pretty unusual and unfair, but it happened so I had to deal with it. They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. Andy Coulson (Andrew Edward Coulson) was born on 21 January, 1968, is a Journalist, newspaper editor. That Id go from one to the other in custody, if you like. Andy: I have, yeah, and weve had that discussion. I think Ive been up and down that mountain and that I think is a good and useful thing for my clients. You have got to make a plan and youve got to focus on the things that youve got control of. [62], Coulson was charged with having committed perjury during the trial in 2010 of Tommy and Gail Sheridan. Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. [64] In October 2013, it was revealed that Coulson had had an affair with Rebekah Brooks that lasted from 1998 to 2007. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) [2] [3] is an English journalist and political strategist. Ive got very used to that. The judge added that it was for him, and not the jury, to decide on this aspect of the case and that the Crown's legal submissions had failed to satisfy him that Coulson's evidence had been sufficiently relevant to the Sheridan trial. So I rang him and we had a conversation and that led me to say: Look, youve got plenty of friends in your life, you dont need any more friends, thats not what this is about, but if this is going to work we do need to be straight with each other with what you are trying to do here. There are dogs and there are searches and its another one of those sort of movie scenes. And I think that is a clear lesson, that the what if is as pointless as the why me?. Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson has been released from prison after serving nearly five months in jail for conspiracy to hack phones. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. So, actually, often there are these little small acts of kindness in prison, he didnt have to do it but he let me go to the phone and call Eloise and say that this things out there, but just be assured its total rubbish. [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. I do believe its a muscle and my muscle was very well exercised by the time I found myself dealing with my own. I remember reading, after I came out, that I had been released after just five months on good behaviour. Ive really enjoyed it, but the process is that Im asking a whole bunch of really interesting people to share their stories and I just got to the end of the first series and it didnt seem very fair, frankly, that I hadnt put myself through the same process. Its an unnatural thing to do to relive your life and, by the way, if all you are doing is reliving your life through a negative prism, its a fundamentally unhealthy thing to do. Throughout his career Andy has been, as he puts it, poacher, gamekeeper and game - experiencing crisis from every angle. But this kind of disconnection from family, whatever the circumstances, is just a fundamental negative. 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Andy, hello. Jane: And they take all of your clothes away, I assume? Jane: You dont really talk about yourself very much. "[31] According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. So, I knew at that point that Id be going to prison and that was obviously not where I thought my life would take me. [9][10][11][12], In June 2014 at the Old Bailey, Coulson was found guilty of a charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails (phone-hacking). Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. I think it was wrong. September 18, 2020. [21], Coulson resigned on 26 January 2007 over the News of the World phone hacking affair which would several weeks later see the jailing for four months of the paper's Royal correspondent Clive Goodman. Search instead in Creative? Certainly not for me. I had proper moments of depression, without a shadow of a doubt, but I found ways of dealing with that and also I got a lot of help. My biggest regret was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons come and visit me in Belmarsh". [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. Andy: Well that didnt happen immediately, because theres a period of time between verdict and sentencing. Andy Coulson arrives at the Old Bailey on July 4, 2014 in London, England. I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. The main thing for me is that bitterness bullet, youve just got to keep dodging it, because bitterness really does send you only one way, it will only ever send you backwards. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. But no, certainly not in this kind of context. You can be walking along the landing and someone walking the other way, for whatever reason, decides that the answer to their problem that day is to attack you. [15], Coulson was also tried over charges that he committed perjury in the evidence he gave in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan in 2010. And I made mistakes in my personal life as well, and so Ive never at any point felt why me? about it because thats just not how I feel. Andy: My sentence, having been found guilty of the crime, was probably about right. There were some fights, but never anything directed at me and nothing that caused me to feel scared in Belmarsh and certainly not when I got to Hollesley Bay, which was a different regime altogether. Why are you doing it now? [35] Clients include 'One Young World'. Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. And one of the ways of doing that is making sure everyone is wearing the same clothes when they arrive. And it is all about cues and nudges that push you in a certain direction and I just try and avoid those. And I managed to get down just in time and before you know it youre off driving through the city and I just remember looking at the bright blue sky really. The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. So I changed my mind. And thats just not where I am. That was something I would do often, and like anyone else there have been other things in my life that have given that perspective. Its constantly incoming and my job, in fact, was to manage those crises. I think there are probably people who think that I should still be in prison. And politics is an hourly crisis, right? There were so many different things that were unravelling in my life that I realised that if I tried to deal with them all, I would probably go mad. There were elements of my crisis that were entirely self-inflicted. The saddest thing in prison is when youre queuing up for the phone, because thats how the system works, you have to wait to be able to use the phone. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? (listen here). And before I knew it, because its down underneath the Old Bailey where you get on the bus, you then go up a ramp and it was a gloriously sunny day, July the fourth, ironically enough, Independence Day 2014. Long before, in truth. Id start with that, I think. But we had a two-week crisis in our life, after Monty was born, in terms of the emotional impact of it, it was far greater because we felt we were going to lose him not long after he was born. I like to think Im a better husband; I like to think Im a better father, a better friend. When I was in the midst of all this I was encouraged by Eloise and friends to go and talk to someone and I did that. 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